{"id":830,"date":"2007-08-20T12:17:32","date_gmt":"2007-08-20T20:17:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/glenandpaula.com\/wordpress\/archives\/2007\/08\/20\/zeitgeist\/"},"modified":"2008-02-24T12:59:16","modified_gmt":"2008-02-24T20:59:16","slug":"zeitgeist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/glenandpaula.com\/wordpress\/archives\/2007\/08\/20\/zeitgeist","title":{"rendered":"Zeitgeist"},"content":{"rendered":"

A friend of mine asked me to watch the first section of Zeitgeist (a movie you can watch for free on the internet at http:\/\/zeitgeistmovie.com\/<\/a>) and give him some perspective on it.<\/p>\n

Here goes:<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t recall ever having run across so many factual inaccuracies in such a short span of time. I doubt I even caught them all \u2014 they were flying fast and furious. <\/p>\n

I\u2019ll start with a few that are easy for an untrained layperson to see right away. There\u2019s some other stuff he said that I know is false, but demonstrating it is less easy. It becomes \u201cmy expert you\u2019ve never heard of\u201d versus \u201chis expert you\u2019ve never heard of\u201d with me saying \u201cmy expert is better than his expert \u2014 trust me.\u201d So I\u2019ll keep this list focused on stuff anyone can easily verify on their own.<\/p>\n

One easily-checked fact that he builds his argument on is that the Southern Cross is the real inspiration for the cross of Jesus (watch from 17:35 through 19:03). Three problems with this:
\na) The Southern Cross is a modern invention \u2014 not an ancient constellation. Check http:\/\/www.windows.ucar.edu\/the_universe\/crux.html<\/a> and http:\/\/www.fillingthesky.com\/constellationhistory.htm<\/a>l
\nb) The Southern Cross is not visible from where the New Testament was written. In the Northern Hemisphere you have to be below 30 degrees latitude to see it. The New Testament was written from Jerusalem<\/a> on north.
\nc) It\u2019s hard to see how a constellation that didn\u2019t exist and couldn\u2019t be seen inspired the story of Jesus when Romans actually killed people on crosses all the time. Is he seriously suggesting that the Romans didn\u2019t actually crucify people?<\/p>\n

Missing such a basic fact doesn\u2019t inspire confidence in the more esoteric, less easily-checked facts he uses to make his entire case. There are other easily-checked facts he distorts. Two from the Bible struck me.<\/p>\n

In the time range 23:38 \u2014 25:20 the movie claims that Jesus is a personification of the astrological sign of Pisces. Towards the end of this section, the narrator states that Jesus\u2019 disciples asked him when he would celebrate the next passover with them him after he is gone and that Jesus\u2019 answer in Luke 22:10 was code language for Aquarius (the next age of the Zodiac). This is easy enough to check \u2014 and it turns out to be a lie. Luke 22:10 is about the passover they are celebrating that night, not the next meal they will share after his resurrection. That isn\u2019t a minor difference \u2014 it undermines his entire interpretation.<\/p>\n

Another example of his willingness to distort the Bible to make his point occurs around time marker 21:10, when he says that the Bible teaches that Jesus comes from heaven wearing a crown of thorns, which represent the rays of the sun. He quotes John 19:5 to support this point. Look it up. There\u2019s not even a hint of Jesus descending from heaven anywhere in this passage. He\u2019s walking from one place to another \u2014 not descending from the clouds as the narrator claims.<\/p>\n

These two instances aren\u2019t nitpicking \u2014 these are very easily checked statements in the bestselling book of all time which is always available for instant fact-checking on the internet at places such as Bible Gateway<\/a>. If he didn\u2019t even check these references that key parts of his argument rely on, then how much stock can we place in his references to obscure ancient Egyptian texts that only scholars have ready access to?<\/p>\n

He\u2019s evidently received criticism along this line, because he felt compelled<\/a> to give some documentation for his use of ancient texts at http:\/\/www.zeitgeistmovie.com\/GMappendix.htm<\/a><\/p>\n

Just look through it. Pay attention to the stories of Jesus in the right column (you are presumably more familiar with them). I think you\u2019ll be surprised at how flaky that list is. <\/p>\n

Bottom line: Zeitgeist is very imaginative, but that\u2019s about it.<\/p>\n

UPDATE 2\/24\/2008: This post is still generating comments. It\u2019s been six months since I wrote this post, and since then a helpful review by Ben Witherington has been posted \u2014 The Zeitgeist of the \u2018Zeitgeist Movie\u2019<\/a>. Look to it for a more detailed rebuttal of the movie\u2019s claims.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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