{"id":851,"date":"2003-12-09T13:20:08","date_gmt":"2003-12-09T21:20:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/glenandpaula.com\/wordpress\/archives\/2003\/12\/09\/dick-staub-interviews-mary-poplin\/"},"modified":"2003-12-09T13:20:08","modified_gmt":"2003-12-09T21:20:08","slug":"dick-staub-interviews-mary-poplin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/glenandpaula.com\/wordpress\/archives\/2003\/12\/09\/dick-staub-interviews-mary-poplin","title":{"rendered":"Dick Staub Interviews Mary Poplin"},"content":{"rendered":"

I just ran across a tran\u00adscript of an inter\u00adview with Mary Poplin<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Dr. Poplin is the Dean of the School of Edu\u00adca\u00adtion\u00adal Stud\u00adies at Clare\u00admont Grad\u00adu\u00adate Uni\u00adver\u00adsi\u00adty and she\u2019s cur\u00adrent\u00adly writ\u00ading a book (title unknown) about inte\u00adgrat\u00ading faith and acad\u00ade\u00admia. (see her fac\u00adul\u00adty bio page<\/a>)<\/p>\n

You should real\u00adly read the inter\u00adview on Dick Staub\u2019s web\u00adsite, but I\u2019ve excerpt\u00aded the most fas\u00adci\u00adnat\u00ading bits\u2026
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\nQ. Yeah. Now, what was it at that point that was off-putting about Chris\u00adtian\u00adi\u00adty? In oth\u00ader words, you had been raised in a Chris\u00adt\u00adian home, and now you\u2019re out doing Zen and going to see if you can bend spoons through men\u00adtal telepa\u00adthy. And you\u2019re into, you know, kind of any\u00adthing except what was famil\u00adiar and what you knew. What was it about Chris\u00adtian\u00adi\u00adty that was a non-starter for you, in your mind, at least?
\nA. In my mind. In my mind I had accept\u00aded what I had been told by the uni\u00adver\u00adsi\u00adty, that Chris\u00adtian\u00adi\u00adty was oppres\u00adsive. You know, I was work\u00ading in the area of lib\u00ader\u00ada\u00adtion, you know, edu\u00adca\u00adtion of the poor, edu\u00adca\u00adtion of peo\u00adple of col\u00ador, and so I just accept\u00aded that what I\u2019d been told. Chris\u00adtian\u00adi\u00adty was ter\u00adri\u00adble for women. You know, it nev\u00ader occurred to me to actu\u00adal\u00adly like look around the world and see where women were the freest and note that, gee, those were coun\u00adtries that were dom\u00adi\u00adnat\u00aded by Chris\u00adtian\u00adi\u00adty. But I didn\u2019t think that way.<\/i><\/p>\n

Q. How per\u00adva\u00adsive was that anti-Chris\u00adt\u00adian bias in your edu\u00adca\u00adtion as you were going through the sys\u00adtem?
\nA. I\u2019d say, I would say in prob\u00ada\u00adbly 50 per\u00adcent of my edu\u00adca\u00adtion peo\u00adple would say neg\u00ada\u00adtive things about Chris\u00adtian\u00adi\u00adty.<\/p>\n

Q. Were peo\u00adple ever say\u00ading pos\u00adi\u00adtive things? Or were\u2026
\nA. No. I nev\u00ader heard\u2026 I nev\u00ader had a pro\u00adfes\u00adsor who said any\u00adthing pos\u00adi\u00adtive.<\/p>\n

and lat\u00ader \u2026<\/p>\n

Q. So you kind of bought the line. What is it that makes you\u2026 Well, what hap\u00adpens that moves you towards a dif\u00adfer\u00adent and more com\u00adpelling view of Chris\u00adtian\u00adi\u00adty?
\nA. Okay. I think one of the main things is I had a grad\u00adu\u00adate stu\u00addent who I knew lived his life dif\u00adfer\u00adent\u00adly. And he is Native Amer\u00adi\u00adcan. And, first of all, he prayed for me for eight years. And he would kind of keep in touch. And he would say irri\u00adtat\u00ading things like, If you ever want to do any\u00adthing with your spir\u00adi\u00adtu\u00adal life, I\u2019d like to help you. That was irri\u00adtat\u00ading because I thought I was doing plen\u00adty with my spir\u00adi\u00adtu\u00adal life. You know, I was bend\u00ading spoons.<\/i><\/p>\n

Q. I\u2019m bend\u00ading spoons and stuff. I mean, what do you want?
\nA. Exact\u00adly. What more?<\/p>\n

Q. Does it get any more mean\u00ading\u00adful than this?
\nA. And the oth\u00ader thing, and the more dis\u00adtress\u00ading thing, is he would ask me ques\u00adtions like, Do you believe in evil? And I would real\u00adize that I couldn\u2019t answer the ques\u00adtion con\u00adsis\u00adtent\u00adly.<\/p>\n

Q. Uh-huh.
\nA. Now, since I was mov\u00ading rapid\u00adly toward post-mod\u00adernism, you know, I could sort of get rid of that prob\u00adlem because, you know, just choose your lan\u00adguage com\u00admu\u00adni\u00adty. One day you believe in evil and the next minute you don\u2019t. But then he would ask real\u00adly irri\u00adtat\u00ading ques\u00adtions. If I said I didn\u2019t believe in evil he would say things like, Well, was Hitler evil?<\/p>\n

Q. Uh-huh.
\nA. And you know, things that both\u00adered me intel\u00adlec\u00adtu\u00adal\u00adly. Then he had worked at our uni\u00adver\u00adsi\u00adty on a sab\u00adbat\u00adi\u00adcal he had. He was now a pro\u00adfes\u00adsor, and for a year. And when he left I had a dream actu\u00adal\u00adly. I was still, you know, felt kind of emp\u00adty and con\u00adfused. And in the dream I\u2019m in a long line of peo\u00adple sus\u00adpend\u00aded in a night air. We\u2019re all in the same gray robes. I can\u2019t see the begin\u00adning of the line because it\u2019s snaking around so long. I can\u2019t even see the end of the line, it just kind of dis\u00adap\u00adpears. But that\u2019s how long\u2026 The line just seemed eter\u00adnal on both ends. And all of a sud\u00adden I real\u00adized \u2013 and we\u2019re not talk\u00ading to each oth\u00ader, we\u2019re just in sin\u00adgle file \u2013 I real\u00adized that off to my right there\u2019s some\u00adthing going on. And I look and it\u2019s just like Leonar\u00addo da Vinci\u2019s paint\u00ading of the Last Sup\u00adper.<\/p>\n

Q. Uh-huh.
\nA. It\u2019s in col\u00ador, which I\u2019ve nev\u00ader before had a dream in col\u00ador. And it is\u2026 But the dif\u00adfer\u00adence is it\u2019s live. They\u2019re still sit\u00adting out, like I\u2019m sure they didn\u2019t sit in the Last Sup\u00adper, but they\u2019re sit\u00adting out fac\u00ading us. But Jesus is not at the table with them. He\u2019s stand\u00ading greet\u00ading us in line. And when I looked at Jesus I knew who he\u2026 I mean, I knew imme\u00addi\u00adate\u00adly what I was see\u00ading. And I couldn\u2019t even look at him, but for a sec\u00adond. I knelt\u2026 I fell down to his feet and start\u00aded weep\u00ading. And the only way I can describe the feel\u00ading I had in the dream is that I could sense every cell in my body and I felt shame. Just total shame in every cell in my body. So in the dream then he grabs my shoul\u00adders and I feel total peace, like I had nev\u00ader felt before in my life. And then I woke up and I was actu\u00adal\u00adly phys\u00adi\u00adcal\u00adly cry\u00ading. So I go to the phone and I call this gen\u00adtle\u00adman, and I say \u2013 and I did not know, he had nev\u00ader told me he was a Chris\u00adt\u00adian\u2026<\/p>\n

Q. Real\u00adly.
\nA. Nev\u00ader. And that was good.<\/p>\n

Q. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
\nA. Because I prob\u00ada\u00adbly wouldn\u2019t have called him. But any\u00adway, I called him and said, I think I need to talk to you about my spir\u00adi\u00adtu\u00adal life. And he said \u2013 he lives in San Diego and I\u2019m in Los Ange\u00adles \u2013 he said, Well, let\u2019s meet for din\u00adner. He named a restau\u00adrant in Dana Point, in between the cities, and we met there. And he said to me, Why do you think you have to do some\u00adthing with your spir\u00adi\u00adtu\u00adal life now? And out of my mouth came some\u00adthing I\u2019d nev\u00ader thought about. I said to him, I have some black thing in my chest. <\/p>\n

Q. Wow.
\nA. And I don\u2019t know what it is. And he just nod\u00added. I had told him the dream. I said, What do I do? And he said, Well, do you have a Bible? And I said, Well, no. I don\u2019t think so. I had one when I was a kid, but I don\u2019t know where it is. And he said\u2026 Well any\u00adway, he made sure I had one before we split up that night. And I\u2026 He said to me, Well, you could read five Psalms a day and one book of Proverbs. And I thought, well okay, I\u2019m going to do it. I mean, I\u2019m real\u00adly going to do this this time. And then he said casu\u00adal\u00adly, after we had bought the Bible and we\u2019re get\u00adting into our indi\u00advid\u00adual cars, he said, And since Jesus was the one in your dream, you might even read the New Tes\u00adta\u00adment. And that\u2019s how casu\u00adal he was about that. <\/p>\n

Q. Hm.
\nA. So then I began to read them and we began to meet in a town in between our cities for break\u00adfast or some\u00adthing about once a week. And he would say, How\u2019s the read\u00ading going? And I would always say the same thing, I would say, I hate the Psalms but I love the Proverbs.<\/p>\n

Q. Uh-huh.
\nA. And I was read\u00ading the New Tes\u00adta\u00adment a lit\u00adtle bit. And he\u2019d say, Well, why do you hate the Psalms? And I said, Because David\u2019s always telling God to kill his ene\u00admies.<\/p>\n

Q. Uh-huh.
\nA. And dash their chil\u00addren to stones, and that\u2019s not a nice thing. So he would just nod and he would just say, Well, can you keep read\u00ading them? And I said, Yes. And then along about\u2026 Okay, that was Novem\u00adber, Novem\u00adber to Jan\u00adu\u00adary. And then in Jan\u00adu\u00adary my moth\u00ader want\u00aded to go to North Car\u00adoli\u00adna to where she had grown up. And we went to this lit\u00adtle church, Methodist church, not because she was reli\u00adgious, she just want\u00aded to see her friends. And we got there and I was real\u00adly moved to just go up to the altar and give my life to the Lord. <\/p>\n

con\u00adtin\u00adu\u00ading the sto\u00adry\u2026<\/p>\n

Q. And now you show up in church with your mom \u2013
\nA. Yes.<\/i><\/p>\n

Q. \u2013 which she want\u00aded to do just for social rea\u00adsons. And now her daugh\u00adter, who ought to know bet\u00adter, has-has gone for\u00adward to receive Christ. What was that day like? And how did it make a dif\u00adfer\u00adence?
\nA. It wasn\u2019t even an altar call. You know, the Methodists don\u2019t real\u00adly do altar calls.<\/p>\n

Q. Yeah.
\nA. So it was a com\u00admu\u00adnion call. <\/p>\n

Q. Yeah.
\nA. And the guy said, you know, you don\u2019t have to be a mem\u00adber of the church to take com\u00admu\u00adnion, you don\u2019t have to be a mem\u00adber of any church. You just have to believe that Jesus Christ lived, that he died for your sins, and you have to want him in your life. And when he said that, I was just so pow\u00ader\u00adful\u00adly moved that I actu\u00adal\u00adly men\u00adtal\u00adly thought, even if a tor\u00adna\u00addo rips through this build\u00ading, I\u2019m going to get that com\u00admu\u00adnion.<\/p>\n

Q. Real\u00adly.
\nA. Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Q. I want him in my life \u2013
\nA. Yeah.<\/p>\n

Q. \u2013 is what you were say\u00ading.
\nA. Yeah, that was it. And when I got to the altar\u2026<\/p>\n

Q. Had you tak\u00aden com\u00admu\u00adnion since high school?
\nA. No. And when I got to the altar, you know, I had nev\u00ader seen real\u00adly an altar call so I didn\u2019t, this was just kind of won\u00adder-aged, so I took the com\u00admu\u00adnion and I didn\u2019t even lis\u00adten to the guy. All I did was I knelt down and I said, Please come and get me. Please come and get me. Please come and get me. And when I took the com\u00admu\u00adnion and I said that, I felt free. I felt like tons of things had been lift\u00aded off of me. And I began to have an insa\u00adtiable desire to read the Bible.<\/p>\n

Q. Wow.
\nA. And then not long after that I was involved in an inci\u00addent that you could only say dis\u00adplayed evil. And that night when I opened up the Psalms, I under\u00adstood. It was just like I had imme\u00addi\u00adate rev\u00ade\u00adla\u00adtion. It was almost like scales falling from your eyes?<\/p>\n

Q. Wow.
\nA. I under\u00adstood that evil exist\u00aded, I had no ques\u00adtion about it, and I under\u00adstood that it was in me.<\/p>\n

and the inter\u00adview wraps up with<\/p>\n

Q. Yeah. And what did you say?
\nA. And I said, You know, I have now seen rad\u00adi\u00adcal, or the real Chris\u00adtian\u00adi\u00adty lived. I know what it is. I total\u00adly believe it. And now, when I go to pre\u00adpare my class I know that I\u2019m teach\u00ading some\u00adthing else. And I feel like a liar.<\/i><\/p>\n

Q. Wow.
\nA. Yeah. So when I real\u00adized what it was there was a sense of relief.<\/p>\n

Q. Feel like a liar how?
\nA. Because I was teach\u00ading only sec\u00adu\u00adlar the\u00ado\u00adries and I wasn\u2019t\u2011I wasn\u2019t telling the stu\u00addents what I would call the whole truth about pover\u00adty, about how you work with the, you know, about Christ. About, you know\u2026 Chris\u00adtian\u00adi\u00adty is the most chal\u00adleng\u00ading\u2026 I mean, if I just talk about it intel\u00adlec\u00adtu\u00adal\u00adly, it\u2019s the most chal\u00adleng\u00ading thing there is. And yet it has no place at the intel\u00adlec\u00adtu\u00adal table. And so I began to strug\u00adgle, okay, I had prayed to the Lord to take me out of Clare\u00admont. He hadn\u2019t done it. And I need\u00aded to learn how to stay there. I need\u00aded to learn how to inte\u00adgrate\u2026<\/p>\n

Q. Wow. How would you describe some of what you\u2019re learn\u00ading about stay\u00ading there, about-about how you do this inte\u00adgra\u00adtive work?
\nA. Uh-huh. There\u2019s mul\u00adti\u00adple lev\u00adels of it, but I would say the first thing that I start\u00aded to do as\u2026 Well, ini\u00adtial\u00adly my first response was to think that all sec\u00adu\u00adlar the\u00ado\u00adries were false. And they\u2019re not.<\/p>\n

Q. Right.
\nA. They\u2019re only par\u00adtial\u00adly false. Because evil can\u00adnot cre\u00adate any\u00adthing, so evil can\u2019t cre\u00adate a phi\u00adlos\u00ado\u00adphy.<\/p>\n

Q. Right.
\nA. And it wouldn\u2019t stand if it were all false.<\/p>\n

Q. Right.
\nA. So what I began to do is to try, is to actu\u00adal\u00adly devel\u00adop a class, this was just an option\u00adal class that stu\u00addents can take on Judeo-Chris\u00adt\u00adian thought and edu\u00adca\u00adtion, and we\u2019d take a phi\u00adlos\u00ado\u00adphy or the\u00ado\u00adry that\u2019s impact\u00aded edu\u00adca\u00adtion and we\u2019d line out its prin\u00adci\u00adples, and then we\u2019d line out the scrip\u00adture that either match\u00ades or doesn\u2019t match with it \u2013<\/p>\n

Q. Hm, inter\u00adest\u00ading.
\nA. \u2013 so we can see where it works and where it doesn\u2019t work. So that was one place. The oth\u00ader place is I began to try to take the intel\u00adlec\u00adtu\u00adal prob\u00adlems that I care about, like the edu\u00adca\u00adtion of pover\u00adty, and think of how Jesus, what would the mind of Christ, how would Jesus have approached this issue in terms of what\u2019s going on here? Why is it\u2026 Why are we mak\u00ading no progress here?<\/p>\n

Q. Yeah.
\nA. So I took, for exam\u00adple\u2026 Do you want me to go on with the exam\u00adple?<\/p>\n

Q. Sure, please.
\nA. The exam\u00adple of the poor in edu\u00adca\u00adtion. And I began to real\u00adize that in the uni\u00adver\u00adsi\u00adty we were doing all these social jus\u00adtice things, often Marx\u00adist crit\u00adi\u00adcal the\u00ado\u00adry kinds of things, and I was teach\u00ading that. I had been for prob\u00ada\u00adbly ten years. And but we weren\u2019t mak\u00ading real\u00adly any progress with the poor. They were still not learn\u00ading to read, not learn\u00ading to do math\u00ade\u00admat\u00adics, they weren\u2019t get\u00adting into bet\u00adter jobs. And then you have the pub\u00adlic pol\u00adi\u00adcy mak\u00aders who are all doing account\u00adabil\u00adi\u00adty things. You know, test\u00ading and things like that. The account\u00adabil\u00adi\u00adty peo\u00adple don\u2019t talk about social jus\u00adtice, the social jus\u00adtice peo\u00adple total\u00adly reject the account\u00adabil\u00adi\u00adty move\u00adment. And then I began to real\u00adize that that\u2019s exact\u00adly what the Lord has always told us would hap\u00adpen. That this was a man\u00adi\u00adfes\u00adta\u00adtion of how evil works to keep human beings from mak\u00ading progress in areas like this. And then I began to notice that year as I read the scrip\u00adtures, that eight times in the scrip\u00adtures we\u2019re told to turn nei\u00adther to the left nor the right.<\/p>\n

Q. Uh-huh.
\nA. And you could actu\u00adal\u00adly clas\u00adsi\u00adfy those two issues, account\u00adabil\u00adi\u00adty and social jus\u00adtice, as left and right kinds of things.<\/p>\n

Q. Uh-huh.
\nA. And so what hap\u00adpens is you get\u2026 Pow\u00aders and prin\u00adci\u00adpal\u00adi\u00adties cause peo\u00adple to bat\u00adtle between social jus\u00adtice and account\u00adabil\u00adi\u00adty, when in real\u00adi\u00adty we will nev\u00ader make any progress towards social jus\u00adtice until we com\u00adbine those two things. And so that\u2019s sort of my new, you know, intel\u00adlec\u00adtu\u00adal task is to try to get that done.<\/p>\n

Q. And how is that being received with\u00adin the aca\u00add\u00ade\u00adm\u00adic com\u00admu\u00adni\u00adty? First of all, by peers?
\nA. Uh-huh. Well, our pro\u00adgram has decid\u00aded to make a stand there. I mean, we have decid\u00aded to do that. But in gen\u00ader\u00adal, in the uni\u00adver\u00adsi\u00adty it\u2019s not well-received because they don\u2019t real\u00adly want to deal with issues of account\u00adabil\u00adi\u00adty in any seri\u00adous way. You know, uni\u00adver\u00adsi\u00adty fac\u00adul\u00adty tend to be rebel\u00adlious, myself includ\u00aded. And so we\u2026 It\u2019s not well-received in the uni\u00adver\u00adsi\u00adty right now. In fact, if\u2026 I just went to a con\u00adfer\u00adence in Wash\u00ading\u00adton DC, and it\u2019s for the account\u00adabil\u00adi\u00adty move\u00adment. I mean, you could prob\u00ada\u00adbly have put all the uni\u00adver\u00adsi\u00adty pro\u00adfes\u00adsors around a small table. And they were all, most of the peo\u00adple there, I\u2019d say 70 per\u00adcent of them were edu\u00adca\u00adtors of col\u00ador from the schools who know that all the things we\u2019ve done haven\u2019t worked.<\/p>\n

Q. Wow. How is this change in your life being received by stu\u00addents?
\nA. Actu\u00adal\u00adly, the stu\u00addents are pret\u00adty inter\u00adest\u00ading. Stu\u00addents are curi\u00adous intel\u00adlec\u00adtu\u00adal\u00adly. They tend to be fair\u00adly open. None of the cours\u00ades at Clare\u00admont are required, so no one has to be in my class.<\/p>\n

Q. Uh-huh.
\nA. Cer\u00adtain\u00adly they know, it\u2019s pret\u00adty well-known I\u2019m a Chris\u00adt\u00adian. There was a lit\u00adtle\u2026 There was a huge revolt when I first took over the direc\u00adtor\u00adship of the teacher-ed pro\u00adgram again after hav\u00ading not done it for five years. And we even had to have plain-clothes secu\u00adri\u00adty guards. And about half-way through the revolt the ring\u00adleader said, We hate this Chris\u00adt\u00adian stuff. And I said, What Chris\u00adt\u00adian stuff? Because I had not made any\u00adbody \u2013 I mean, I wasn\u2019t even teach\u00ading the group, I was direct\u00ading the pro\u00adgram. And I\u2019d not had any\u00adbody read any\u00adthing Chris\u00adt\u00adian. And I said, What Chris\u00adt\u00adian stuff? And she couldn\u2019t answer. And at that point some of the oth\u00ader stu\u00addents in the room kind of got the idea. And a young African Amer\u00adi\u00adcan woman just took up for me and said, I\u2019m not putting up with this any\u00admore. I see where you\u2019re com\u00ading from. And the whole place broke up after that.<\/p>\n

Q. Wow. So-so what are you learn\u00ading about the nature of your call\u00ading as you under\u00adstand it right now?
\nA. Okay. Sev\u00ader\u00adal lev\u00adels. I mean, per\u00adson\u00adal\u00adly, I real\u00adly need to under\u00adstand the mind of Christ and how it works. And that I\u2019ve got to get through scrip\u00adture, I think. I mean, I believe that it is revealed in scrip\u00adture. The strug\u00adgle is to bring the Chris\u00adt\u00adian world\u00adview back to the intel\u00adlec\u00adtu\u00adal table. That\u2019s real\u00adly what it is all about. Like the con\u00adfer\u00adence we were at at Berke\u00adley. Chris\u00adtians don\u2019t have a place at the intel\u00adlec\u00adtu\u00adal table. If you say some\u00adthing about a Chris\u00adt\u00adian response or a Chris\u00adt\u00adian con\u00adstruct about an issue in the uni\u00adver\u00adsi\u00adty, you can just feel the walls go up and just, you know, ice in the room.<\/p>\n

Q. Yeah.
\nA. That does not hap\u00adpen with any oth\u00ader world\u00adview.<\/p>\n

Q. Idea. Yeah, yeah.
\nA. No, not any oth\u00ader ide\u00adol\u00ado\u00adgy. So that is\u2026 And it\u2019s dan\u00adger\u00adous. I mean, even intel\u00adlec\u00adtu\u00adal\u00adly I think it\u2019s dan\u00adger\u00adous for a coun\u00adtry or a group of intel\u00adlec\u00adtu\u00adal insti\u00adtu\u00adtions like uni\u00adver\u00adsi\u00adties to actu\u00adal\u00adly say, There is one world\u00adview we\u2019re not going to deal with.<\/p>\n

Q. Uh-huh.
\nA. It just dimin\u00adish\u00ades the whole thing. And I think it\u2019s why we\u2019re not mak\u00ading a lot of progress. And then on the oth\u00ader hand, you know, I think a lot of Chris\u00adt\u00adian col\u00adleges aren\u2019t doing it either. You know, they have chapel and then they have maybe a required Bible class.<\/p>\n

Q. Non-inte\u00adgrat\u00aded.
\nA. Yeah. But it doesn\u2019t go into the sci\u00adence class or the his\u00adto\u00adry class or any\u00adthing else.<\/p>\n

Q. Right. Right, right, right.
\nA. I think we\u2019ve got to inte\u00adgrate it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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